Newcombe Street, Anfield, Liverpool

1841 census

Looking from Hope Carr Terrace in the direction of the former site of Bonny Well, Leigh, Lancashire in the late 20th century

1841

Bonny Well, Pennington, Lancashire

William LEIGH 55 farmer b. Lancashire

Elizabeth LEIGH 65 b. Lancashire

John LEIGH 80 ms? b. Lancashire

Thomas F? 15 ms? b. Lancashire

Thomas LEIGH 55 labourer b. Lancashire

James PLIMMER 20 collier b. Lancashire

Martha PLIMMER 20 silk weaver b. Lancashire

Ann PLIMMER 3 b. Lancashire
William PLIMMER 1 b. Lancashire

Mary HINDLEY 10 fs? b. Lancashire

1841

Harrison Fold, Bedford, Lancashire
Edward PLIMMER 40 coal miner
Ann PLIMMER 50
Ann PLIMMER 15 silk weaver
Edward PLIMMER 10
Ann LYTHGOE 20 silk weaver
All born Lancashire

1851 census

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1851

Wallgate Street, Wigan
CUNLIFFE household
Edward Plimmer visitor unm 23 musician b. Westleigh

1851

Bonny Well, Pennington, Lancs
James PLIMMER hd, 35 farmer of 18 acres employ 3 lab b. Hindley
Martha PLIMMER wf 33 b. Pennington
Ann PLIMMER dau 13 b. Pennington
William PLIMMER son10 b. Pennington
Mary PLIMMER dau 7 b. Pennington
Jane PLIMMER dau 5 b. Pennington
Edward PLIMMER son 3 b. Pennington
Alice PLIMMER dau 1 b. Pennington
William LEIGH f-in-l (wid) 67 no occupation b. Pennington

1851

Bonny Well, Pennington, Lancs
Edward PLIMMER hd 59 ag lab b. Shrewsbury, Shropshire
Ann PLIMMER wf 62 b. Hindley

1861 census

1861

? Lane, Chatham, Kent
GARDENER? Household
Edward PLIMMER lodger 35 musician b. Leigh
Anna PLIMMER wife 38 vocalist b. Norwich
Anna E. PLIMMER dau 4 b. London

1861

Astley St, George St, Tyldesley
James PLIMMER hd wid 45 coal miner b. Hindley
Elizabeth A. PLIMMER dau unm 28 housekeeper b. Pennington
William PLIMMER son unm 2* coal miner b. Pennington
Mary PLIMMER dau unm 18 cotton frame tenter b. Pennington
Jane PLIMMER dau 15 cotton frame tenter b. Pennington
Edward PLIMMER son 13 coal miner’s lab b. Pennington
John PLIMMER son 8 scholar b. Pennington
James PLIMMER son 6 scholar b. Pennington

1861

Cottoms? Buildings, Bedford, Lancs
Edward PLIMMER hd 69 coal miner b. Astley, Shropshire
Ann PLIMMER wf 72 b. Hindley
William SMITH lodger 20 coal miner b. Bedford, Lancs
Ann SMITH L. wife 22 silk winder b. Bedford, Lancs

1871 census

1871

Frederick St, Plymouth
GILBERT household
Edward PLIMMER visitor marr 43 musician b. Westhoughton

1871

Alfred St, Preston
SEDDON household
Anna PLIMMER lodger marr ** professional musician’s wife b. Norwich
Anna E. PLIMMER dau 14 scholar b. London

1871

Prescot Rd, West Derby
J. A. GORNALL hd 27 Cha? And Baker b. Lancaster
Jane GORNALL wf 25 b. Leigh
Lydia * P. GORNALL dau 2 b. Liverpool
Alfred * GORNALL son 11mths b. Old Swan, Liverpool
James PLIMMER b-in-l unm 16 collier b. Leigh
J. R. BL? – unm 16 zinc plate worker b. Liverpool

1871

Jane Lane, Worsley
Edward PLIMMER hd 23 coal miner b. Bedford, Lancs
Ann PLIMMER wf 22 b. Bedford, Lancs
Geore PLIMMER son 5mths b. Tyldesley

1881 census

Pringle Street, West Derby

1881

Pringle St, West Derby
James PLIMMER hd 25 letter carrier b. Leigh
Alice PLIMMER wf 24 b. St Helens
Ada Ann PLIMMER dau 4 scholar b. West Derby
Ceclia M. PLIMMER dau 2 b. West Derby
Edith E. PLIMMER dau 1 b. West Derby

1881

North Pavement, Barnsley
WOOD household
Ann PLIMMER boarde wid 61 b. Norwich retired vocalist
Anna E. PLIMMER boarder unm 24 b. London vocalist
(Catherine FIRTH boarder marr 22 b. Weston Supermare vocalist)
{Unable to locate these women after this date – wonder if they emigrated?)

1881

Jane Lane, Worsley
PLIMMER (as PLUMMER)
Edward hd 31 coal miner b. Pennington
Ann wf 30 housewife b. Bedford, Lancs
James son 7 b. Swinton
Martha E. dau 9mths b. Swinton

1881

73 Bolton Road, Westleigh, Lancashire

(PLIMMER as FLINMER)

George BROWN hd 57 warehouse man cotton b. Wigan

Elizth. BROWN wf 54 b. Atherton

George FLINMER g son 11 scholar b. Tyldesley

Joseph SHAW boarder 38 cotton spinner b. Warrington

John WILLIAMS boarder 44 cotton piecer b. Tyldesley

1891 census

1891

Edge Lane, West Derby
James PLIMMER hd 35 postman b. Leigh
Nelly PLIMMER wf 26 b. Halsall
Sissy PLIMMER dau 12 b. West Derby
Ernest PLIMMER son ? b. West Derby
James PLIMMER son ? b. West Derby

1891

Prescot Rd, West Derby
Jonathan LUCAS married 59 brick? B. Prescot
Catherine LUCAS married 52 b. Liverpool
Henry J. LUCAS 1* scholar b. West Derby
Emily PLIMMER grand-dau 11 scholar b. West Derby

1891

The Vicarage, Oakhill Park, West Derby
HEA* ? household
Ada A. PLIMMER servant 16 cook b. Paddington, ?, West Derby

1891

Jane Lane, Worsley
Edward PLIMMER hd 44 coal miner b. Leigh
Ann PLIMMER wf 42 b. Tyldesley
George PLIMMER son 20 coal miner b. Tyldesley
James PLIMMER son 16 coal miner b. Swinton
Martha PLIMMER dau 10 scholar b. Swinton

1901 census

Lennox Street, Kensington, West Derby

1901

Lennox St, Kensington, West Derby
Ellen PLIMMER hd wid 35 cook in post office
Lily G. PLIMMER dau 9 b. Liverpool
Harold E. PLIMMER son 8 b. Liverpool

1901

Sandstone Rd, West Derby
Catherinewells LUCAS hd wid 62 b. Liverpool
Henry J. LUCAS son single 23 builder’s clerk b. Liverpool
Cecilia M. PLIMMER g-dau single 22 dressmaker own account at home b. Liverpool
Edith E. PLIMMER g-dau sinle 21 confectioner b. Liverpool
Ernest G. PLIMMER g-son 17 Hatter’s? Assistant b. Liverpool
James W. PLIMMER g-son 15 Railway Engine Cleaner?

1901

Chorley Rd, Swinton
James PLIMMER hd 26 collier b. Swinton
Mary E PLIMMER wf 27 b. Swinton

1901

Swinton Hall Rd, Worsley
Edward PLIMMER hd 54 colliery underground horseman? b. Leigh
Ann PLIMMER wf 53 b. Bedford, Lancs
George PLIMMER son single 29 colliery aboveground lab b. Tyldesley

1911 census

Fairview Place, Toxteth Park

34 Fairview Place, Toxteth Park, Liverpool, Lancashire

Ellen PLIMMER head widow 45 shopkeeper b. Liverpool

Lily Gertrude PLIMMER daughter 20 - b. Liverpool

Harold Edward PLIMMER son 18 general labourer b. Liverpool

83 Newcombe Street, Anfield, Liverpool, Lancashire

Wilfred Byron JONES head marr 33 freight clerk b. Walton, Liverpool

Edith Emily JONES wife marr 31 - b. West Derby, Liverpool

Ernest Cyril PLIMMER b-in-l single 27 salesman b. West Derby, Liverpool

James William PLIMMER b-in-l single 25 weighs checker - cotton b. West Derby, Liverpool

26 Manchester Road, Pendlebury, Salford, Lancashire

Henry POLLITT head marr 32 foreman cleaner b. Irlams oth Height

Martha Elizabeth POLLITT wife marr 31 - b. Swinton

Annie POLLITT daughter - 10 - b. Pendlebury

Edward PLIMMER wife's father widower 64 coal miner b. Leigh

George PLIMMER wife's brother single 40 coal miner bager on underground b. Tyldesley

190 Chorley Road, Swinton, Barton Upon Irwell, Lancashire

James PLIMMER head marr 36 dairyman b. Swinton

Mary Elizabeth PLIMMER wife marr 34 - b. Swinton

May PLIMMER daughter - 8 school b. Swinton

Hilda PLIMMER daughter - 9months - b. Swinton

PLIMMER, Shropshire to Lancashire, research so far (pre 1837)

(PLIMMER as PLIMMAN)
ch. 1827, Edward (Edward + Ann) at Bethesda Independent, Leigh

m. 1824, Elizabeth PLIMMER (Alice)
to John HAMPSON at Wigan

m. 1822, Alice PLIMMER (John + Mary)
to John PRESCOTT at Wigan

c1817 John PLIMMER (Alice) at Hindley Parish Church
(no online IGI entry)

ch. 1814, William PLIMER (Alice) at Hindley Parish Church

Bur. 1812, Mary PLIMMER (wife of John) (54) at Hindley Parish Church

m. 1810, Edward PLIMMER (John + Mary)
to Ann HORROCKS at All Saints, Wigan

Bur. 1809, Mary PLIMMER (John + Mary) (21) at Hindley Parish Church

m. 1805, Martha PLIMMER (John + Mary)
to James BIRKENHEAD at Manchester Cathedral

ch. 1804, Elizabeth Wolstencroft PLIMER (Alcmene) at Manchester Cathedral

John PLIMMER (possibly with John’s father, Edward, a widower) and family may have moved north before 1804 when Alice and Martha PLIMMER, members of a Friendly Society, appeared before Justices of the Peace in Salford, Lancashire.

IGI speculation:

b. 1793, Thomas PLIMMER (John + Mary) Pontesbury, Shropshire

ch. 1791, Edward PLIMMER (John + Mary) Pontesbury, Shropshire

ch. 1790, Francis PLIMMER (John + Mary) Pontesbury, Shropshire
(d. c1790)

ch. 1786, William PLIMMER (John + Mary) Pontesbury, Shropshire
(d. c1786)

b. 1788, Mary PLIMMER (John + Mary) Pontesbury, Shropshire

ch. 1784, Martha PLIMMER (John + Mary) Pontesbury, Shropshire

c1783, Alcmene PLIMMER (John + Mary) Pontesbury, Shropshire
(no online IGI entry)

ch. 1781, John PLIMMER (John + Mary) Westbury, Shropshire
(d. c1798?)

m. 1778, John PLIMMER to Mary PREESE Westbury, Shropshire

PLIMMER events (pre 1901, post 1837)

m. 1900, Martha Elizabeth PLIMMER (Edward + Ann)
to Henry POLLITT in Swinton

d. 1899, Ada Ann GROGAN (nee PLIMMER) (22) West Derby

m. 1899, James PLIMMER (Edward + Ann)
to Mary Elizabeth S. TAYLOR in Swinton

d. 1893 James PLIMMER (James + Martha) (39) West Derby

b. 1892, Harold Edward PLIMMER (James + Ellen) West Derby

m. 1892, Ada Ann PLIMMER
to John H GROGAN in Liverpool

b. 1891, Lily Gertrude PLIMMER (James + Ellen) West Derby

m. 1890 James PLIMMER (James + Martha)
to Ellen SWIFT in West Derby

d. 1889, Alice Margaret PLIMMER (James + Alice) (0) West Derby

d. 1889, Alice Margaret PLIMMER (nee LUCAS) (32) West Derby

b. c1889, Alice Margaret PLIMMER (James + Alice) West Derby

b. 1885, James William J. PLIMMER (James + Alice) West Derby

b. 1884, Ernest Cyril Lucas PLIMMER (James + Alice) West Derby

d. 1883, Beatrice Annie PLIMMER (James + Alice) (age 1) West Derby

b. 1882, Beatrice Annie PLIMMER (James + Alice) West Derby

b. 1880, Martha Elizabeth PLIMMER (Edward + Ann) Barton

b. 1880, Edith Emily PLIMMER (James + Alice) West Derby

1879, Era Almanac: PLIMMER, Edward - Negro Artist, aged 50 d. March 29th (1878)

b. 1878, Cecilia Maud PLIMMER (James + Alice) West Derby

d. 1878 Edward PLIMMER (Edward {Salop} + Ann) Liverpool

b. 1876, Ada Ann PLIMMER (James + Alice) West Derby

m. 1876, James PLIMMER (James + Martha)
to Alice Margaret LUCAS in Liverpool

b. 1874, James PLIMMER, (Edward + Ann) Barton

d. 1873, Jane GORNALL (nee PLIMMER, James + Martha) (27) Old Swan

b. 1870, George PLIMMER (Edward + Ann) Tyldesley

m. 1868, Edward PLIMMER (James + Martha)
to Ann BROWN in Atherton

d. 1868, Elizabeth Ann HESFORD (nee PLIMMER, James + Martha) (30) Tyldesley

d. 1867, Edward PLIMMER (of Salop) (75) Pennington

m. 1867, Elizabeth Ann PLIMMER (James + Martha)
to William John HESFORD in Tyldesley

d. 1866, John PLIMMER (James + Martha) (14) Tyldesley

m. 1866, Jane PLIMMER (James + Martha)
to Joseph Allan GORNALL in West Derby

d. 1865, James PLIMMER (of Hindley) (50) Barton Upon Irwell

d. 1863, William PLIMMER (Mary) (3mnths) Tyldesley

d. 1862, Mary PLIMMER (19) Tyldesley

b. 1862, William PLIMMER (Mary) Tyldesley

d. 1862, William PLIMMER (James + Martha) (22) Tyldesley

d. 1861, Ann PLIMMER (nee HORROCKS) (73) Bedford, Lancs

d. 1860, Martha PLIMMER (nee LEIGH) (42) Tyldesley

NB: “James IRVINE was the vicar of Leigh Parish Church, who disputed over the burials of non-conformists. It had been known for parents to bury their deceased children themselves, as he refused to acknowledge them or perform last rites”.

d. 1859, Alice PLIMMER (James + Martha) (9mths) Tyldesley

b. 1858, Alice PLIMMER (James + Martha) Tyldesley

d. 1857, Frederick PLIMMER (James + Martha) 5mths) Atherton

b. 1857, Frederick PLIMMER (James + Martha) Tyldesley

b. 1856, Anna Elizabeth PLIMMER (Edward + Anna) Strand

m. 1855, Edward PLIMMER (Edward {Salop} + Ann)
to Anna BEXFIELD Liverpool

b. 1854, James PLIMMER (James + Martha) Pennington

b. 1852, John PLIMMER (James + Martha) Pennington


1852, Photocopy of a poster:
Thursday Evening November 18th 1852
Mr. Edward Plimmer, of Bedford, (a district of Leigh, Lancashire) the celebrated accordion and patent flutina player, who has successfully performed at the principal concerts throughout England, Ireland and Scotland will give a grand vocal and instrumental concert at the Town Hall, Leigh. (The programme of events follow).

d. 1851, Alice PLIMMER (James + Martha) (14mths) Pennington

b. 1850, Alice PLIMMER (James + Martha) Pennington

b. 1848, Edward PLIMMER (James + Martha) Pennington

b. 1845, Jane PLIMMER (James + Martha) Pennington

b. 1843, Mary PLIMMER (James + Martha) Pennington

d. 1842, Mary PLIMMER (James + Martha) (3days) Pennington

b. 1842, Mary PLIMMER (James + Martha) Pennington

m. 1841, Anne PLIMMER (Edward {Salop} + Ann) to William HILL Bolton

b. 1840, William PLIMMER (James + Martha) Pennington

d. 1839, William PLIMMER (James + Martha) (5mths) Pennington
(bur 1839, Leigh Parish Church)

b. 1839, William PLIMMER (James + Martha) Pennington

b.1838, Elizabeth Ann PLIMMER (James + Martha) Pennington

m. James PLIMMER (of Hindley)
to Martha LEIGH (of Pennington)
(before 1837 registration – research needed)

PLIMMER time-line, post 1901

The events of those living have been edited from this list.

2001, census not released

1991, census not released

d. 1989, Robert Harold PLIMMER (Harold + Mary) Liverpool

1981, census not released

d. 1979, Annie Leay PLIMMER
(previously NUGENT, nee ALDRIDGE) Whiston

b. 1973, I was born in Whiston (mother: LANE)

1971, census not released

d. 1968, Janet PLIMMER (nee LUBE) (79) Ormskirk

d. 1962, Harold Edward PLIMMER (James + Ellen) (69) Broad Green

1961, census not released

d. 1957, Mary Elizabeth Seddon PLIMMER (nee TAYLOR) (83) Blackpool

1951, census not released

d. 1950, Ellen PLIMMER (nee SWIFT) (85) Sefton Park

1941, no census taken

d. 1939, Ernest Cyril Lucas PLIMMER (James + Alice) (55) Ormskirk

m. 1938, Harold Edward PLIMMER (James + Ellen)
to Annie Leay NUGENT (nee ALDRIDGE) in Norris Green

d. 1935, Mary Jane PLIMMER (nee SMITH) (36) Toxteth Park

m. 1933 May PLIMMER (James + Mary)
to Albert FRYER in Barton

1931, census destroyed

m. 1926, May PLIMMER (James + Mary)
to Thomas CADMAN in Barton

b. 1922, Robert Harold PLIMMER (Harold + Mary) in Toxteth Park

m. 1921, Harold Edward PLIMMER (James + Ellen)
to Mary Jane SMITH in Toxteth Park

d. 1921, Edward PLIMMER (James + Martha) (74) in Salford

d. 1921, James PLIMMER (Edward + Ann) (46) Barton

1921, awaiting release of this census

m. 1915, Lily Gertrude PLIMMER (James + Ellen)
to Thomas Arthur SPRATT in Princes Park

m. 1913, Ernest Cyril Lucas PLIMMER (James + Alice)
to Janet LUBE in West Derby

m. 1911, Cecilia Maud PLIMMER (James + Alice)
to John ROBERTS in West Derby

m. 1911, Edith Emily PLIMMER (James + Alice)
to Wilfred Byron JONES in West Derby

1911 census

b. 1910, Hilda PLIMMER (James + Mary) Barton

d. 1909, Ann PLIMMER (nee BROWN) (61) Swinton

b. 1902, May PLIMMER (James + Mary) Barton I.

Other Half-sibling Marriages

1911 joint marriage at Richmond Chapel, Breck Road, West Derby

Cecilia Maud PLIMMER to John ROBERTS, Mechanical Engineer, son of Robert ROBERTS, soldier
witnesses: Ernest C. L. PLIMMER and (Minnie?) L. BROWN

Edith Emily PLIMMER to Wilfred Byron JONES, shipping clerk, son of George JONES, domestic gardener
witnesses: Alfred E. JONES and Janet LUBE

1913 marriage at The Presbyterian Church, Everton Valley, Kirkdale, West Derby
The certificate also incorrectly lists the date as 1919, as well as 1913 in the date column

Ernest Cyril Lucas PLIMMER to Janet LUBE, typist, daughter of Frederick LUBE, lithographer
witnesses: Arthur SHAW and Agnes LUBE


No further records have been located for James William J. PLIMMER, his where abouts after 1901 remain a mystery.

GROGAN Link

1892 marriage at St John the Baptist, West Derby

Ada Ann PLIMMER to John Hesse GROGAN, postman, son of Thomas GROGAN, postman
witnesses: George WEBB and Mary WEBB

1893 birth of Percy Douglas GROGAN
1896 birth of Ada Marion GROGAN
1899 birth of Stanley Plimmer GROGAN

1899 death of Ada Ann GROGAN (nee PLIMMER)
1899 death of Stanley Plimmer GROGAN

1899 marriage of John Hesse GROGAN to Catherine TATHAM

1901

23 David Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool
John H GROGAN 29 postman
Cath. GROGAN 33 milliner (own account)
Percy D. GROGAN 7
Ada M. GROGAN 5

1906 death of Ada Marion GROGAN
1910 death of Catherine GROGAN

1910 marriage of John H. GROGAN to Edith E. DENNETT
1916 marriage of Percy Douglas GROGAN to Elizabeth COFFEY

Grandfather PLIMMER's half-siblings

I know very little of this connection and I am unaware of any off-spring or decendants that are still alive. If anyone out there has a connection or information that will help me fill in the gaps, then please do not hesitate to make contact. If you wish the details to remain private, I will respect your wishes. Thank you!

His father's (James) first marriage took place in 1876 at St John's, Liverpool. His bride was Alice Margaret LUCAS, daughter of Jonathan LUCAS, builder. It is not easy to read the signatures of the witnesses:
?? (B?)UCKLEY
William ????LKES

The off-spring that followed:

1876 birth of a daughter Ada Ann PLIMMER
1878 birth of a daughter Cecilia Maud PLIMMER
1880 birth of a daughter Edith Emily PLIMMER

(1881 at Pringle Street, West Derby)

1882 birth of a daughter Beatrice Annie PLIMMER
1883 death of Beatrice Annie PLIMMER
1884 birth of a son Ernest Cyril Lucas PLIMMER
1885 birth of a son James William J. PLIMMER

1889 birth of a daughter Alice Margaret PLIMMER
1889 death of his wife Alice Margaret PLIMMER (nee LUCAS)
1889 death of Alice Margaret PLIMMER

1891

Ada Ann PLIMMER is a housemaid, servant at The Vicarage, Oakhill Park, West Derby

Edith Emily PLIMMER (as Emily PLIMMER) at 530 Prescot Road, West Derby, with her grandfather Jonathan LUCAS and (step-grandmother?) Catherine M. LUCAS and family

The other living off-spring are with James and his second wife Ellen PLIMMER (nee SWIFT)

1901

All living PLIMMER siblings from the first marriage are living with Catherine LUCAS, widow at 64 Sandstone Road, West Derby

LANE link

http://lane-lookers.blogspot.com/

PLIMMER great great great grandparents

Edward PLIMMER
(1791 - 1867)

Edward was born in Shropshire and from the evidence I have, it appears he was born in Asterley, near Pontesbury, near Shrewsbury.

According to the IGI he was christened in Pontesbury on 05th September 1791, the son of John and Mary PLIMMER (nee PREESE, possibly PREES, sometimes PREECE).

I am unsure of exactly when the PLIMMER clan came to Lancashire but it was sometime after 1793, when a younger sibling Thomas was born and before early 1804, when his older sisters, Alice(mina) and Martha appeared before the Justices of the Peace in Salford.

The next time I find Edward is on the IGI in 1810 when he marries an Ann HORROCKS at All Saints, Wigan. There are two entries, one for the 13th October and one for the 30th October.

Then I find the above couple listed as PLIMMAN in 1827, when their son Edward is christened at Leigh Bethesda Independent. I have yet to find the details of all their other off-spring.

In 1841 they are living at Harrison Fold, Bedford, Lancashire and Edward is listed as a coal miner. With them is their son Edward and daughter Ann (aged 15, silk weaver), there is also an Ann LYTHGOE aged 20, a silk weaver.

By 1851 he is listed as an agricultural labourer and they are living with their son James at Bonny Well, Pennington, Leigh and their daughter-in-law's father, William LEIGH is also there.

In 1861 they have returned to Bedford, Lancashire and are living in Cottoms? Buildings near Jones's? Square, he is still listed as a coal miner. Lodging with them is a William SMITH aged 20, coal miner and his wife Ann SMITH aged 22, silk winder both born Bedford, Lancashire.

Sadly Ann PLIMMER (nee HORROCKS) died of chronic bronchitis, certified for four years, in October 1861 at the age of 73 and their address is listed as Chapel Street, Bedford, Lancashire.

Edward survived a fair number of his younger family members and passed away in June 1867, aged 75. He was living in Bond Street, Pennington and William HILL was present at his death, who I now believe to be his son-in-law, husband to his daughter Ann.

Ann PLIMMER (nee HORROCKS)
(c1788 - 1861)

I have not done enough research on Ann at this time, I am unsure of her family roots, all I know is that she was born in Hindley, Lancashire.

If anyone has researched the HORROCKS clan of Hindley, I would be happy to hear from them.

Little ol' me and a long way to go!!! 

PLIMMER great great grandparents

James PLIMMER
(c1815 - 1865)

Sadly I know very little about this James and I am finding researching his details more difficult than others. Any advice welcome!

He died in 1865 at a tender age of 50 and is listed as a market gardener, which he had been when he lived in Pennington, Leigh. The name C. PLIMMER is recorded as the witness but I suspect it is Elizabeth PLIMMER, his eldest child who married in 1867. Her signature on the marriage certificate looks like C. Plimmer.

He died in Barton, Barton Upon Irwell and his daughter is listed as living at Chat Moss, Barton. How I wish the actual building address had been listed, as this leaves me wondering what were they doing in Barton after being in Tyldesley in 1861 and James was then a coal miner.

He is buried in Leigh Cemetery at plot 13, letter G, grave 61 with his son John, father Edward, daughter Elizabeth HESFORD and grandson John William HESFORD. There is no gravestone.
Letters of Administration dated October 1872 show effects under £450 leaseholds dated May 1868 from DAVIES & BROOK, solicitors in Warrington. Matthew HILTON is named as curator or guardian to James' sons Edward and James until they reached aged 21. His married daughters Elizabeth HESFORD and Jane GORNALL are also mentioned in the letter, as is John PLIMMER, his deceased son. Witnesses, Joseph Allan GORNALL of Green Lane, Stanley, baker and Peter WARD of Astley, overlooker.

He was widowed in 1860 and as mentioned he was in Tyldesley in 1861, as a coal miner with seven off- spring.

In 1851 he is a farmer, head of household at Bonny Well, Pennington, Leigh, Lancs. With him is his wife and 6 off-spring, his father-in-law and both his parents. One son James, is born there in 1854 and James is listed as a gardener but the next born, Frederick is born in Tyldesley in 1857 and James' occupation is coal miner. No other recorded events take place in Pennington. Did he sell Bonny Well I wonder? Seems drastic as it put his parents out of employment and out of a home and also left his father-in-law vunerable? I do not know the answer to this, not sure I will.

The 1841 census tells a different story as it is his father-in-law William LEIGH who is head of household at Bonny Well, Pennington and James is a collier with his wife and two children. I wonder if he was given the farm by his father-in-law, perhaps as there were no other LEIGH family members to inherit it?

James' first born, Elizabeth Ann PLIMMER was born in March 1838 in Pennington. I have not found a GRO reference for his marriage so I am guessing it was before civil registration in 1837. It has not been found in the Church Of England records, so I am guessing it could possibly have been a non-conformist marriage. These records I have yet to find.

From the census information I know he was born in Hindley, Lancashire about 1815 and his parents appear to be Edward and Ann PLIMMER (nee HORROCKS). Sadly I do not have any more information on him at this time.

Martha PLIMMER (nee LEIGH)
(c1818 - 1860)

I am finding it difficult to clarify Martha's history, this is all I have on her at this time.

She died in Tyldesley at a young age of 42 on St Valentine's Day in 1860. She was buried in Leigh Cemetery, plot 13, letterE, grave 49 with her mother-in-law Ann, son William, daughter Mary and father William LEE (LEIGH).

In 1851 she is with her husband at Bonny Well, Pennington and she is there in 1841 also but as a silk weaver. It is from this latter census that I suspect her parents are William and Elizabeth LEIGH.

Searching the IGI I find an entry which appears to match:
Birth: 22 FEB 1818, Christening: 6 MAR 1818 Wesleyan Methodist, Bedford, Lancashire, parents: William and Betty LEIGH.

I suspect her marriage to James must have been a Methodist ceremony, this I have yet to find.

PLIMMER great grandparents

James PLIMMER

(1854 - 1893)

He was the 10th off-spring out of 12 to James PLIMMER and Martha PLIMMER (nee LEIGH); born at Bonny Well, his LEIGH grandparents (market gardeners/farmers) small holding in Pennington near Leigh in Lancashire.

That site now appears to be a waste water treatment works and was down the lane from where I stayed with my friend Michael, for a brief spell.

James was one of four siblings who survived beyond 22 and one of two to survive beyond 30, most died before their first birthday.

By 1857 the family appear to have moved away from the small holding, to reside in the Tyldesley area where James senior returned to work as a coal miner. In 1861 James appears aged 6 with his family, sadly he lost his mother in the previous year and by 1865 he and the surviving siblings have been orphaned.

In 1866 his sister Jane married Joseph Allan GORNALL in West Derby and I pressume, from consulting the 1871 census, that he must have moved there with Jane and her new husband. He is aged 16 and listed as a collier.

His other surviving sibling at this time, appears to have moved towards the Salford area.

Sadness reigned again for James in 1873, as he witnessed the death of his sister Jane GORNALL aged only 27 years, in Old Swan, Liverpool. She appears to have suffered for 6 months with TB.

The GORNALL family appear to have been established bakers and I guess he may have worked for them. With his brother-in-law Joseph GORNALL remarrying and relocating, I suspect he may have needed to change direction with his career by the time of the 1881 census.

His first marriage to Alice Margaret LUCAS took place in 1876 and his occupation is a shopman. He is a book-keeper on the birth certificate of his first child, later in that same year.

Sadly for James, his wife Alice died in 1889 but I offer my thanks to him for marrying again in 1890, to Ellen (Nellie) SWIFT (born in Halsall) at St Mary's, Edge Hill, Liverpool; witnesses: Thomas GRIFFITHS and Mary METCALFE.

In 1891 I find James with his new wife Ellen and three off-spring from his first marriage in Edge Lane, West Derby. The short marriage between James and Ellen produced Lily Gertrude and Harold Edward PLIMMER before the early death of James in 1893, aged 39. I have yet to locate his burial plot.

Ellen (Nellie) PLIMMER (nee SWIFT)

(1864 - 1950)

She was born in New Street, Halsall to James SWIFT, a blacksmith master and Ellen SWIFT (nee BLUNDELL). Sadly she and her fellow siblings were orphaned in 1870. Luckily I found her in 1871 with her grandfather, William SWIFT (also a blacksmith but employing two men) and aunt, Elizabeth PARK still in New Street.

By 1881 Ellen is living at Clock House Farm, Bickerstaffe with her uncle, Robert SWIFT and aunt, Mary SWIFT. Her occupation is listed as a domestic, general servant.

I do not know much of Ellen's early life or when she moved into West Derby. The only other link to West Derby is in 1881; here we find her grandfather mentioned above, residing in Chalmers Street, West Derby and his occupation is recorded as a gentleman.

She married the widower, James PLIMMER in 1890 and is residing with him in 1891 in Edge Lane, West Derby where she later had two off spring. By 1893 she is a widow herself and had the two infants to bring up on her own; she does not remarry. I wonder if she was so heart broken that she decided not to marry again and dedicated her life to her children. I do wonder how she coped, for in 1901 her occupation is listed as a cook in the post office while resident in the Kensington area of Liverpool.

I understand she lived for a spell with her son and first family but later lived with her daughter and family but this period of her life is also a bit of a mystery. She died at the ripe old age of 85 in a Sefton Park hospital, her residence indicated as that of her son-in-law, Thomas Arthur SPRATT. I have yet to locate her burial plot.

PLIMMER grandparents

Harold Edward PLIMMER
(1892 - 1962)

He was born in Edge Lane, West Derby to James PLIMMER, a postman and Ellen (Nellie) PLIMMER (nee SWIFT), the youngest of two; his sister Lily Gertrude PLIMMER was born in 1891.

His father died in 1893 and I wonder what effect it had on him; with out his father in his life was he ever bitter about it or did he just accepted it as the norm?! He also had other half brothers and sisters and I wonder if after this event they ever remained in contact, I guess that they did not.

1901 sees Ellen, Lily and Harold living at 30 Lennox Street, Kensington, Liverpool and Ellen is listed as a cook in the post office. I would love to find out where this was.

Sadly I do not know much about my Grandpop's early life (or army life) but I have recently discovered that his World War I medals were isssued while he had been recruited with the Machine Gun Corps. He was a private and his Regiment No. was 120042.

His sister Lily married in 1915 to Thomas Arthur SPRATT, a capstan-man at St Paul's, Princes Park, Liverpool; witnesses: William Henry SPRATT and Florence ?OUGHLEY .

Harold, a dock labourer, married Mary Jane SMITH in 1921 at St Silas, Toxteth Park, Liverpool. He was 28 and living in Powis Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool; witnesses: Richard EVANS and Elizabeth SMITH.

His first child was born in 1922, named Robert Harold PLIMMER and residence at this time was in Gaskell Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool. The second child was a girl born in 1924 and the third child was a boy born in 1927, both at the same address as the first.

Then sadly his first wife Mary died in 1935 at South Hill House, South Hill Road, Toxteth Park, Liverpool aged only 36. TB seemed to be the primary cause.

It was in 1938 that my Grandfather married my Gran, Annie Leay NUGENT (nee ALDRIDGE) at Christ Church, Norris Green, Liverpool; witnesses: Stanley BAKER and Florence Adelaide BAKER. He is listed as a labourer and was living in Faresham Road, Norris Green, Liverpool. My Gran was living in Kingsland Crescent, Norris Green, Liverpool at the time and it did seem, when I went to view the properties, that they were virtually back to back, over looking each other. I have always thought how romantic it must have been if they did fall in love over the garden fence. ;)

He also became a step-father to my Gran's children from her first marriage and by the time my Father was born later in that same year, they had moved and were living in Lordens Road, Huyton and my Grandpop is listed as a dock labourer again.

I have World War II medals of my Grandpop's and I still have to research his time in the army during this difficult period. I am aware that the children from his first marriage went to live with his sister Lily SPRATT and family and sadly over the years they lost touch with one another.

Harold's mother died in 1950 aged 85 of cerebral haemorrhage, which sounds quite horrific. I wonder if this was the time when he met his daughter again after a long absence. I believe the meeting was very difficult and very emotional and sadly, I understand, they did not meet again.

He died in 1962 at Broadgreen Hospital, Liverpool. He was only 69 years old and was listed as being a dispatch clerk and still resident in Lordens Road, Huyton. He did not see my Father marry and he died long before I was even a twinkle in my Pop's eye!

I know he kept canaries or budgies and was a very kind, gentle, considerate man. I believe he was given a silver cross by a German soldier, for sparing his life in one of the wars and that makes me very proud to be his grandson. Sadly the cross was stolen by a step-child after he died and the only thing I have of his, apart from his medals, is his signate ring.

There is so much more I would like to know about him and what he did. I wish the internet had been invented for general use then so he may have left a blog of his own, for me to share with him in a spiritual kind of way.

Annie Leay PLIMMER (previously NUGENT, nee ALDRIDGE)
(1897 - 1979)

She was born in Rankin Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool to William John ALDRIDGE, a carter and Elizabeth ALDRIDGE (nee BURNETT); she had several siblings.

In 1901 I find her with her parents and older siblings, Florence and William at 5 House, 3 Court, Beresford Road, Toxteth Park, Liverpool.

I am curious to know what she did during the war years.

I know she went into domestic service but in 192o she was married at St Cleopas, Liverpool to Thomas William NUGENT, able seaman; witnesses: Francis RICE and Elizabeth Jane McCALLAGN. Both Annie and Thomas where resident at the address of Annie's birth. I wonder why the family moved out of that address but moved back into the same address much later? I imagine she was now busy being a wife and later, a mother to several off-spring.

Sadly in 1933, aged 35, her husband died and only the year before in 1932, she lost her father to cancer aged 58. It would take another five years before she met and married Harold Edward PLIMMER and I hope this brought her some happiness. I'm thankful that this union brought my father into the world, otherwise I wouldn't be here writing this! I wonder how she coped during the war with children to bring up.

I believe she worked at the Crawfords Biscuit Factory and also returned to be of domestic help to wealthy families and I think she liked to adopt some of their refined traits for her own.

In 1952 she witnessed the death of her own mother at the age of 78.

I am fortunate to have faint memories of her and I always remember her smiling, amazing when I think what she must have suffered before her own death. I remember her taking me to the Peir Head, Liverpool to see the ferries and visiting us at our various addresses in St Helens.

Breast cancer took her away from us in 1979 aged 81 and I believe she would have lived on much longer if treatment was as advanced as it is now. I imagine she kept mentally strong through out and considering what she must have been through in her life time, this must have contributed to her method to cope.

I have even had a spiritual visit from her when I was in a dark depression in a flat in Manchester. I knew she was there because I could smell her and her flat and all the happy memories of her came flooding back. It was an emotional moment and very reassuring that she still thought about me too, I wasn't alone, it was like having a spiritual hug :))

PLIMMER parents

Mr. PLIMMER

Dad was born in Huyton and began his working life as a coal miner in St Helens.
His first marriage to a Miss WOODS in 1963, took place at St Nicholas' Sutton, St Helens, witnesses: William Thomas NUGENT and Emily MERCER.
That marriage didn't last but he went on to meet my mother, Miss LANE. They married in 1973 at The Register Office, St Helens, witnesses: J.P. DAVIES and A. LANE.
I was the result of that union, so at least one blessing came out of that!
My parents and I ended up in Newton-Le-Willows and my father worked as a porter at Warrington Hospital. Sadly, my parents couldn't stick it together so they finally went their seperate ways and my Dad found himself a home in Warrington (now classed as Cheshire, previously Lancashire) where he still terrorises the neighbourhood! LOL

Mrs. LEADER (previously PLIMMER, nee LANE)

Mum was born in Newton In Makerfield (aka Newton Le Willows) and left school early to get a job and a wage and have fun I guess! The poor sod met my Dad and ended up having me and as she always says "one was enough!" Mum later worked her way up from a temp. at Warrington Town Hall and is now a virtual PA to the Landscape Directors.
After my parents went their seperate ways, Mum met and married Mr. LEADER in 1993.

Welcome to PLIMMER's Pastures

Hello fellow Family History Researchers!

And welcome to my own little green space of calm in the mad, mad WWW.

I will post my PLIMMER ancestry here and if you share this surname, or have this name appearing in your tree, then I hope you will post your interests too.

One day I hope to have a world PLIMMER site. Only you can help me achieve this.

I may also include other paddocks of interest along the way!

Enjoy, peace and prosper

Blessings

Ian.